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July 27, 2009

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Rosemary Hannah

Of course. And forgiveness.

Jim Gordon

Hello again Rosemary. Volf has written extensively on forgiveness as both gift of grace and ethical imperative for followers of the Crucified. In addition to Exclusion and Embrace, his other titles include, Free of Charge: Giving and Forgiving in a Culture Stripped of Grace, and to be published in December Against the Tide: Love in a Time of Petty Dreams and Persisting Enmities. You are right about forgiveness - and the connections between love as self-giving, fogiveness as other acceptance, and welcome as hospitality and vulnerability, give kenosis a rich nexus of divine and human activity for reconciliation in abroken world.

helen

Kenosis - not just emptying (which implies the vessel remains intact) but also a total stripping. I was used to the concept of "allowing God in" - opening the door in my walls to let God inside. Maybe even letting God control the entrance. But the challenge is to have no walls, to let God himself be the defence. Which means (1) I have no defences from God and (2) I have no control over what defences are present between me and others, I have to trust God to be whatever is necessary.
Difficult and scary...

Jim Gordon

Hi Helen. Not sure about the idea of "total stripping". Kenosis is not the negation of the self, but its finding of a new centre. There is still a self that has moral and relational capacity, both of which are esential dimensions of love. Kenosis as self-giving love requires the kind of emtpying that negates selfishness, not the self. There is utter and eternal continuity between the one who was in the form of God and the one who did not count equality with God a thing to be clung to. Obedience is the surrender of the self to the other as a disposition of love - and yes this is gracious gift, but it is also obedient response.

helen

sorry, I wasn't very clear. I was talking about it from a human point of view, rather than about Jesus, which I guess is a bad use of terms....
When talking about stripping, I didn't mean losing everything that makes me unique, but losing all the rubbish that accumulates and causes separation (between me and God, and between me and others).
Because I tend to use the metaphor of walls, emptying doesn't work very well as a concept within that - it leaves the walls intact. Hence stripping means losing all the walls.

Re the difference between selfishness and the self - to what extent is 'myself' the 'me' made in the image of God and to what extent is it the human, fallen, sinful 'me' ?

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