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July 25, 2007


Jason Goroncy

Jim. My immediate response to this post was Jim, how unbaptist of you to post such unpragmatic thoughts! Good on you. It reminds me of two things Forsyth picked up on.

Two thoughts. The first, from 'The Soul of Prayer', is that at the end of the day that which is truly the most practical is that which contributes to the end for which creation and humanity were made. (p. 33)

The second thought, from 'The Principle of Authority' (nb. it's not the 'Principal' of Authority ) is where Forsyth speaks of 'the appetite for success, for numbers, for effect, grows as it feeds upon the democratic philosophy of Pragmatism, with its note of American business and efficient bustle. A harder time than ever would seem to be awaiting the conscientious preacher in a popular body as the Pragmatist definition of truth comes to prevail, that it is what “works.” Our truth does work, no doubt, but in very large orbits; and not always in time, within one life, to let us make up our minds about its results with that certainty which alone enables it to “work.” The vice of Pragmatism, so understood, is that, where absolute truth, or any faith, is concerned, we must begin with a belief in the absoluteness of it before we can set it to work with its native might. We must begin working with that conviction of its absoluteness which its working is supposed to provide. We must begin producing with the product in our hands. We cannot make an absolute truth work in which we do not yet believe. The world can only be converted by a Church which believes that in Christ the world has already been won'. (341-2)

Great post. Thanks.

jim gordon

Jason, the man you quote was once called in the sub-title of a book about him - Prophet for Our Time. And so he is - Just like Forsyth to nail Pragmatism for the poor substitute it is for a faith crucicentric rather than anthropocentric, a faith mystified by grace rather than satisfied with what works!


Good stuff! What a BIG God these folk had. Can handle plenty more of this! The junk food of much modern 'Churchianity' leaves you feeling quite ill after a while!

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